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baby chicks blood in poo

vickyvicky Junior Member
edited October 2006 in Poultry Health and Welfare
Hi it is me again, I have 27 baby chicks they are 8 weeks old. I saw some blood in some poo on the ground yesterday.I looked it up and it said it was coccidiosis. I give my babys a medicated feed i dont know how this happened.I clean there area every day. As i was looking this up it said to give them 1 TBS of vinegar per quart of water for three days and that a lot of people do this as soon as they are hatched. I am going to start it today. Does anyone know anything about this?:(

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  • crazychickcrazychick Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    I've never heard of using vinegar to cure coccidiosis.. but I do know that if the chicks are showing signs of blood, despite the medicated feed, that I wouldn't risk further spread of the disease and I'd get some Coxoid, Amprol, Sulmet (sulfamethazine) or another anti-coccidiosis med and get the whole flock of chicks on it.

    Some have also suggested milk for chicks but I think that, since chicks won't be able to digest milk, that it may give them diarrhea instead of helping with it. Cocci is caused by a protozoan and I can't imagine a tiny bit of vinegar or milk doing much to prevent or treat cocci. I'd get the proper meds just to be safe...

    Laura
  • SandySandy Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    My best advice to you is stop listening to old wives tales and get some propper medication ASAP.. or your going to lose your chicks

    Coccidiosis Treatment


    There are many forms of Coccidiosis, but two main ones are treated, these are Cecal and Intestinal
    Coccidiosis in chickens is caused by seven different species of coccidia (genus Eimeria), which are single celled parasites that live in the gut wall of their host. These coccidia are host specific: turkeys and other species are not infected by fowl coccidia and vice-versa. The different species of coccidia live in different parts of the gut and can be divided into those causing intestinal coccidiosis (the majority) or caecal coccidiosis (one species).

    Coccidiosis Cecal Symptoms

    In chicks or young birds, droopiness, huddling with ruffled feathers, loss of appetite, retarded growth, and bloody diarrhoea in early stages
    It affects their ce***
    Mortality is high
    Spread from contact with droppings of infected birds. Spread on used equipment, feed sacks, feet o humans and wild birds
    An important symptom is blood around the vent or bloody diarrhea
    Unfortunately, many different diseases of chickens show identical symptoms which makes accurate diagnosis very difficult

    Coccidiosis Intestinal Symptoms

    Affects growing or semi mature birds, droopiness, huddling with ruffled feathers, loss in interest in water and feed, retarded growth or weight loss, watery, moucousy, or pasty, tan or blood tinged diarrrhea, sometimes emaciation and dehydration
    In mature birds; thin breast, weak legs, drop in laying, sometimes diarrrhea
    If affects their intestinal tract
    Mortality is limited to high
    Spread from droppings of infected birds; spread on used equipment, feed sacks feet of humans and wild birds
    An important symptom is blood around the vent or bloody diarrhea
    Unfortunately, many different diseases of chickens show identical symptoms which makes accurate diagnosis very difficult

    Treatment:
    1-teaspoon amprolium (20 percent) per gallon drinking water for 5 days (this is not an antibiotic)
    Also a broad spectrum antibiotic to guard against secondary infections, ask your vet what they have available
    Following this treatment, give multi vitamin supplement (especially A and K)
    Survivors are immune by may never be as productive as uninfected birds

    Spread of the disease

    Damp or contaminated litter and overcrowding favour its development.
    Most commercial chick starters contain a drug that inhibits coccidiosis, however if a clean, dry environment is not maintained then disease can occur. Birds fed diets without preventative drugs are particularly at risk so clean dry litter and adequate space are especially important
    If you have soil in your coop it would be advisable to turn it, but don’t allow dust to blow everywhere, as this will spread the disease, if you sprinkle hydrated lime into the soil it will help to eradicated the problem… make sure no lumps are on the floor, use a flour sifter to apply it and then rake it into the dirt

    Coccidiosis is spread when one bird eats faecal material from an infected bird, which contains the infective stage of the coccidia (small egg-like bodies called oocysts). The oocysts in the droppings need moisture and warmth to mature before they can infect other birds, but in the right conditions, can do so very quickly (24 hr). Oocysts can remain alive in poultry sheds for more than a year and they are very resistant to most disinfectants.

    Oocysts are ingested when birds scratch and peck at the litter or consume contaminated feed or water. Each oocyst breaks down in the gut to release eight organisms that invade the lining of the gut. They then multiply through several cycles to produce thousands of parasites, damaging the gut and causing disease that may lead to the fowl's death.

    Beginning five to seven days after infection, thousands of oocysts pass out in the droppings of the bird to continue the life cycle. It is impossible to prevent this spread unless birds are housed so that they have no contact with faeces.

    Antibiotics don’t cure Coccidiosis, but it will help to eliminate the possibility of a secondary infection taking hold of your bird, and it is sometimes the secondary infections that end up killing the bird

    These are some of the drugs you can use to treat Coccidiosis; it is not a complete list but will give you some ideas on what to ask for at the store when purchasing the medication

    Coccidiosis Medication Names
    Amprolium Soluble (Thiamine derivates)
    Baycox (Toltrazuril)
    Corid (Amprolium)
    Coxytrol (Sulpha drugs}
    Sulfamethazine
    Sulfaquin, (Sulpha drugs}
    Amprolium (Corid)
    Sulmet
    Tribrissen (UK)
    Sulfaquinoxaline or Sulfamethazine - water or feed; less safe; somewhat toxic to bone marrow. Withdrawal - 10 days
    Whitsyn
    Renosal Tablets
    Bactrim

    These drugs, under their trade names are readily available
    However, dose rates are variable and complex
    Most go into the drinking water
    The best advice on treatment is to follow the manufacturer’s recommendations and if in doubt contact the Department of Agriculture
    Baycox is expensive and usually considered to be the last resort used only with severe cases
    The program must be followed carefully to obtain the correct results
    If you give your birds too much, you will kill any immunity they have obtained
  • vickyvicky Junior Member
    edited October 2006
    Thank you , for helping me,I will get the meds today.Where i got the vinegar was from a book called THE CHICKEN HEALTH HANDBOOK by gail damerow.
  • SandySandy Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Gail Damerow is excellent.. but she never tells people to treat Cocci with vinegar.. I think you may have miss read what she was saying...

    What page did you see this on

    Was it in the Chicken Health Book... I have it here ... look at page 261.. it explains about Coccidiosis in depth...
  • vickyvicky Junior Member
    edited October 2006
    Im sorry sandy, It was not that book it was BACK YARD CHICKEN by JENNY ROBSON. I have been reading so much about chickens i for got where i saw it.
  • SandySandy Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    No Problem Vicky

    If you can get a hold of a copy of Gail's book... The Chicken Health Handbook ... its well worth the read.. and if you can afford to buy one.. well worth the investment

    How are the chicks going... did you get the meds for cocci yet... the longer you take to get them into them the larger the chances of them not surviving... just a word to the wise ok
  • vickyvicky Junior Member
    edited October 2006
    Hi sandy, Just to let you know the baby chicks are doing fine thanks again:D
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