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Wyandotte Expert needed - might have been miss-sold a bantam cockerel

late8late8 Member
edited December 2011 in Pure Breeds and Enthusiasts
Back in August we picked up a Buff Orpington and Wyandotte hen. The breeder was award winning and I paid near £30 for each!!. They were both around 14-16 weeks I think- they are now getting on 20+ weeks.

The Orpington hasn't changed much and we are confident she is a hen.

However alarm bells have recently began to ring concerning the Wyandotte. She began developing quite red wattles and comb in late September and her feathers + markings just recently have become very fancy- like a cockerels.

Not only that but we couldn't work out if she was a bantam since Sept because she was small but not small enough to be a bantam.

Obviously its pretty annoying and I have paid for him/her..

Could someone try and confirm from these pics?

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2563/p1070989q.jpg
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3764/p1070991.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8128/p1070993en.jpg
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6315/p1070994q.jpg

Comments

  • battwomanbattwoman Senior Member
    edited November 2011
    am no expert but i would have thought a cock 20 weeks+ would be crowing by now, the reddening up may mean she's coming into lay, fingers crossed:D
    fi x
  • MEGANMEGAN Senior Member
    edited November 2011
    I really dont have much of an idea myself but had a quick look at pics of wyndottes and dont the males have totally different markings. Could be looking at wrong thing I suppose. Hope she is a hen. Male or female its very pretty
  • late8late8 Member
    edited November 2011
    battwoman wrote:
    am no expert but i would have thought a cock 20 weeks+ would be crowing by now, the reddening up may mean she's coming into lay, fingers crossed:D
    fi x


    I hope your right. :(

    Trouble is she has the feathers of a cockerel on her lower back and tail. After searching on Google images she looks more like a cockerel than a hen.

    perhaps both !
  • MEGANMEGAN Senior Member
    edited November 2011
    http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Wyand/BRKWyand.html

    this is where I looked is she a silver pencilled wyndotte.
  • late8late8 Member
    edited November 2011
    MEGAN wrote:
    http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Wyand/BRKWyand.html

    this is where I looked is she a silver pencilled wyndotte.


    It difficult isnt it.

    She could be a bantam cockerel which looks different compared to the normal cockerel.

    She has the same rear feathers as the cockerel bantam in the 3rd pic on this page of that site:
    http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Wyand/BRKWyandBty.html

    :(


    The breeder not only has given us a bantam but also a cockerel.
  • sandiesbrahmassandiesbrahmas Super Moderator
    edited November 2011
    I responded on your other thread.

    If the crowing starts, then contact the breeder. If it was a genuine mistake (and it's VERY difficult to tell the sexes apart in some instances), he/she should be prepared to give you another.

    This should go without saying with a reputable breeder.

    Sandie
  • late8late8 Member
    edited November 2011
    I responded on your other thread.

    If the crowing starts, then contact the breeder. If it was a genuine mistake (and it's VERY difficult to tell the sexes apart in some instances), he/she should be prepared to give you another.

    This should go without saying with a reputable breeder.

    Sandie

    Thanks, I have contacted him this morning. In the past couple of days a slightly odd but loud crowing has started up at 6am.

    I can only think he may have mixed up the eggs. I asked in correspondences and on the day for a Silver laced Wyandotte pullet- to not only give us a cockerel but a bantam cockerel is quite a bit of a mistake.
  • late8late8 Member
    edited November 2011
    Well its a cockerel !

    Breeder has confirmed this. Somehow not only a cockerel but a bantam one too ! £30 was the price - so I'm looking into what to do next as he offered a swap for a gold large fowl version.
  • sandiesbrahmassandiesbrahmas Super Moderator
    edited November 2011
    If he's a small scale breeder he may not have the hen to give you, but he should refund your money.

    If I sell birds (which I don't do often as I tend to keep them all)I charge quite a bit less than your seller and always offer to replace/refund if there is a problem (And this would be to include mistakes on the sex....never happened, or if the bird should die after a short period.....also never happened). I ask the buyer to give me their 'phone no. and I check on the health of the birds after 2-3 weeks.

    I hope you resolve the issues.

    Sandie
  • edited November 2011
    The Wyandotte is a male and if you were sold it as a Silver laced it fails in that department as well.
    Poor example of the breed.
  • late8late8 Member
    edited November 2011
    The Wyandotte is a male and if you were sold it as a Silver laced it fails in that department as well.
    Poor example of the breed.


    Why is it a poor example? He looks like other male bantams at 20weeks old?.

    arent these silver laced when mature? ..

    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0fbt1TnlHvIvgFzgDYRAx2Fapv8grCLYgyJmMrF68Dj4WcqQLwEGT6rvPyw
    http://bornfreebantams.moonfruit.com/#/silver-laced-wyandotte/4543025022
  • edited November 2011
    I cannot understand anyone thinking for a moment that a 'top breeder' would sell any stock at that age, as the birds need to be in their second adult moult before you can tell what the feather quality is like.They would be stupid to let them go.
    I breed Wyandotte bantams, which are quality birds for £15 each and at POL.


    Besides that, if they are such knowlageable breeders how come he/she did'nt know it was a cockerel?
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